Discussion:
What is an ospx file and why do people send them?
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Steve Hayes
2014-12-06 21:06:18 UTC
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My wife has to go somewhere tomorrow and downloaded a map that she wanted me
to print out, so she sent me the file, and I found it has an .ospx extension,
and my computer could not open it.

Why do Google maps send files in such an obscure format that I'd never heard
of it before?

I did a web search, and found here

http://www.pagemarktechnology.com/home/products.html

that I would have to pay $US 169 to print a one page map!

Is this the future of computing?
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Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
Godzilla
2014-12-06 21:12:11 UTC
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Post by Steve Hayes
My wife has to go somewhere tomorrow and downloaded a map that she wanted me
to print out, so she sent me the file, and I found it has an .ospx extension,
and my computer could not open it.
Why do Google maps send files in such an obscure format that I'd never heard
of it before?
I did a web search, and found here
http://www.pagemarktechnology.com/home/products.html
that I would have to pay $US 169 to print a one page map!
Is this the future of computing?
Can't she send you a link, or a zip code.?
Otherwise, buy her a gps.
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Bert
2014-12-06 21:18:15 UTC
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Post by Steve Hayes
Is this the future of computing?
Sounds more like you or your wife did something wrong, or you're not
completely describing what happened.

If you're using Google maps from their Web site on a PC, you can simply
click the "gear" symbol at the bottom right of the page, select "Share
or embed map," and email the link to someone else, who can then bring up
the same map in their browser and print it.

In fact, I can't find a way to get Google maps to create a ".ospx" file
for me.
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Good Guy
2014-12-06 22:12:17 UTC
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Post by Bert
Sounds more like you or your wife did something wrong,
you mean like not getting the file extension correct!!!!!!!!
Bert
2014-12-06 22:17:42 UTC
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<html>
<head>
<meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
http-equiv="Content-Type">
</head>
<body bgcolor="#FFFFCC" text="#000000">
What?
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Johnny
2014-12-06 22:25:08 UTC
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On Sat, 6 Dec 2014 22:17:42 +0000 (UTC)
<html>
<head>
<meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
http-equiv="Content-Type">
</head>
<body bgcolor="#FFFFCC" text="#000000">
What?
He does it to piss people off, because he is a Good Guy. Use Claws
Mail, and all you will see is plain text.
Nil
2014-12-06 22:41:08 UTC
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Post by Johnny
He does it to piss people off, because he is a Good Guy. Use Claws
Mail, and all you will see is plain text.
Better yet, use a killfile and you won't see any of him.
Godzilla
2014-12-06 22:45:42 UTC
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Post by Nil
Post by Johnny
He does it to piss people off, because he is a Good Guy. Use Claws
Mail, and all you will see is plain text.
Better yet, use a killfile and you won't see any of him.
Genius.
A killfiler.
Or, learn to not care.
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B00ze/Empire
2014-12-20 03:33:00 UTC
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<html>
<head>
<meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
http-equiv="Content-Type">
</head>
<body bgcolor="#FFFFCC" text="#000000">
What?
I think the new color is fine, it was really bad when it was pure
Fushia, lol ;-)
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Gene E. Bloch
2014-12-20 22:28:05 UTC
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Post by B00ze/Empire
<html>
<head>
<meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
http-equiv="Content-Type">
</head>
<body bgcolor="#FFFFCC" text="#000000">
What?
I think the new color is fine, it was really bad when it was pure
Fushia, lol ;-)
Or even fuchsia?
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B00ze/Empire
2014-12-23 03:12:26 UTC
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Post by Gene E. Bloch
Post by B00ze/Empire
<html>
<head>
<meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
http-equiv="Content-Type">
</head>
<body bgcolor="#FFFFCC" text="#000000">
What?
I think the new color is fine, it was really bad when it was pure
Fushia, lol ;-)
Or even fuchsia?
Oops, did I mispell fuchsia? Hehe, sorry :-)
Thanks for pointing it out, I never knew it was written this way...
Now the questions is, will I remember it ;-)
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Char Jackson
2014-12-23 03:35:40 UTC
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Post by B00ze/Empire
Post by Gene E. Bloch
Post by B00ze/Empire
I think the new color is fine, it was really bad when it was pure
Fushia, lol ;-)
Or even fuchsia?
Oops, did I mispell fuchsia? Hehe, sorry :-)
Thanks for pointing it out, I never knew it was written this way...
Now the questions is, will I remember it ;-)
That reminds me, I once had a female friend hold out two curtain samples as
she asked, "Which do you like better, fuchsia or mauve?" At the time, I had
no idea which was which so I simply pointed and said, "This one."

As it turned out, I liked fuchsia better. :-)
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Gene E. Bloch
2014-12-23 04:10:22 UTC
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Post by B00ze/Empire
Post by Gene E. Bloch
Post by B00ze/Empire
<html>
<head>
<meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
http-equiv="Content-Type">
</head>
<body bgcolor="#FFFFCC" text="#000000">
What?
I think the new color is fine, it was really bad when it was pure
Fushia, lol ;-)
Or even fuchsia?
Oops, did I mispell fuchsia? Hehe, sorry :-)
Thanks for pointing it out, I never knew it was written this way...
Now the questions is, will I remember it ;-)
The flower is apparently name after a German whose surname is Fuchs
(fox). The English pronunciation of fuchsia is a bit weird, IMO.

Anyway, now I dare you to forget how to spell it!

:-)
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Ken Blake
2014-12-23 15:16:43 UTC
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On Mon, 22 Dec 2014 20:10:22 -0800, "Gene E. Bloch"
Post by Gene E. Bloch
The flower is apparently name after a German whose surname is Fuchs
(fox). The English pronunciation of fuchsia is a bit weird, IMO.
Anyway, now I dare you to forget how to spell it!
It's not just a flower or a color. Interestingly "fucshia" is also
occasionally a woman's first name. I own a couple of books by Fuchsia
Dunlop, a British writer of excellent Chinese cookbooks.
R. C. White
2014-12-23 15:56:22 UTC
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Hi, Gene.

As a college freshman, I read a beginner's book for students studying
German. The title was "Der Fuchs und der Veingarten". I might have it
wrong because it was over 60 years ago, but I had no trouble reading the
book, partly because of the illustrations. But mostly it was because I had
heard the fable of the fox and the "probably sour" grapes - and because the
German words in the book were so close to their English counterparts.

Still, it came as a surprise to learn a little later that English is a
Teutonic language, related much more closely to German than to Greek or
Latin, despite our heavy reliance on those ancient tongues. Since I'm no
linguist - although I do enjoy mild etymology - I'll leave further
observation and comments to the many experts here.

RC
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Post by B00ze/Empire
Post by Gene E. Bloch
Post by B00ze/Empire
<html>
<head>
<meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
http-equiv="Content-Type">
</head>
<body bgcolor="#FFFFCC" text="#000000">
What?
I think the new color is fine, it was really bad when it was pure
Fushia, lol ;-)
Or even fuchsia?
Oops, did I mispell fuchsia? Hehe, sorry :-)
Thanks for pointing it out, I never knew it was written this way...
Now the questions is, will I remember it ;-)
The flower is apparently name after a German whose surname is Fuchs
(fox). The English pronunciation of fuchsia is a bit weird, IMO.

Anyway, now I dare you to forget how to spell it!

:-)
--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)
Gene E. Bloch
2014-12-23 19:55:15 UTC
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Post by R. C. White
Hi, Gene.
As a college freshman, I read a beginner's book for students studying
German. The title was "Der Fuchs und der Veingarten". I might have it
wrong because it was over 60 years ago, but I had no trouble reading the
book, partly because of the illustrations. But mostly it was because I had
heard the fable of the fox and the "probably sour" grapes - and because the
German words in the book were so close to their English counterparts.
Still, it came as a surprise to learn a little later that English is a
Teutonic language, related much more closely to German than to Greek or
Latin, despite our heavy reliance on those ancient tongues. Since I'm no
linguist - although I do enjoy mild etymology - I'll leave further
observation and comments to the many experts here.
RC
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San Marcos, TX
Microsoft Windows MVP (2002-2010)
Windows Live Mail 2012 (Build 16.4.3528.0331) in Win8.1 Pro with Media
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Post by B00ze/Empire
Post by Gene E. Bloch
Post by B00ze/Empire
<html>
<head>
<meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
http-equiv="Content-Type">
</head>
<body bgcolor="#FFFFCC" text="#000000">
What?
I think the new color is fine, it was really bad when it was pure
Fushia, lol ;-)
Or even fuchsia?
Oops, did I mispell fuchsia? Hehe, sorry :-)
Thanks for pointing it out, I never knew it was written this way...
Now the questions is, will I remember it ;-)
The flower is apparently name after a German whose surname is Fuchs
(fox). The English pronunciation of fuchsia is a bit weird, IMO.
Anyway, now I dare you to forget how to spell it!
:-)
The relationship to the Germanic family is betrayed by the history and
by today's grammar, vestigial though it is. The Latin and Greek
vocabulary tended to appear after the Norman invasion and modern science
and philosophy came to be. I think the churches may have helped too.

If you can find Beowulf in Old English and some German, Norse,
Icelandic, and other literature from those days, you might be startled
by how much they look alike. At least, I can't detect any differences,
but I'm not fluent (gross understatement) in any of them.
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Ken Blake
2014-12-23 20:50:03 UTC
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Post by R. C. White
Still, it came as a surprise to learn a little later that English is a
Teutonic language,
Some experts even call it a low German dialect.
Post by R. C. White
related much more closely to German than to Greek or
Latin, despite our heavy reliance on those ancient tongues.
Starting with the invasion in 1066, England was heavily colonized by
the Normans, and many French words came into English. Although French
comes from the Latin, there's very little in English that has come
directly from Latin. And even less from Greek.
...winston‫
2014-12-24 07:30:54 UTC
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Post by Ken Blake
Starting with the invasion in 1066, England was heavily colonized by
the Normans, and many French words came into English. Although French
comes from the Latin, there's very little in English that has come
directly from Latin. And even less from Greek.
Try saying Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious in Greek!

I was on a work trip to Athens, Greece about a dozen years ago and a
few weeks before the Easter holiday. Having an hour of so before
meeting local Athen's based colleagues for dinner I turned on the TV in
the hotel and Mary Poppins was one of the choices. Pretty much the
entire movie dialogue including the songs were dubbed in Greek...the
above noted word was not.
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Ken Blake
2014-12-24 14:56:19 UTC
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On Wed, 24 Dec 2014 00:30:54 -0700, "...winston?"
Post by ...winston‫
Post by Ken Blake
Starting with the invasion in 1066, England was heavily colonized by
the Normans, and many French words came into English. Although French
comes from the Latin, there's very little in English that has come
directly from Latin. And even less from Greek.
Try saying Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious in Greek!
Excellent spelling! (At least I think so. <g>)

Mayayana
2014-12-06 22:57:02 UTC
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Are you sure it wasn't aspx? That's a webpage, like
.html. She may have mistakenly sent you the webpage
rather than the link to it. If she'd sent the actual map
it probably would have been a JPG file.

|
| http://www.pagemarktechnology.com/home/products.html
|
I didn't find anything for ospx. What you found seems to
be some kind of XML editor. I don't see how you arrived there.

For what it's worth, some may find this useful:

http://www.jsware.net/jsware/gmapkit.php5

It's a simple program I wrote myself about a year ago.
I got tired of needing to enable script in order to use
Google maps, and needing to get software in order to
see streetview or satellite images.

Google allows anyone to call their map server. All that's
required is to know how to code it. They provide directions.
So I wrote a small program that calls Google directly. No
cookies. No tracking. No script required. It shows maps,
streetview, satellite, or directions. It also has all the
basics: zoom, move the map, draw on the map, save
it as a file, print it (color or grayscale), etc. The program
uses no browser. It communicates with the Google server
directly, so there's no History or tracking data possible.

Now if I want directions to Ace and Acme at 110 Highland
Ave, Somewhere, USA I don't have to be limited to their map.
I can just enter the adress into my program, get a map of
any zoom, look at a photo of the store, etc.
Steve Hayes
2014-12-07 04:32:24 UTC
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Post by Mayayana
Are you sure it wasn't aspx? That's a webpage, like
.html. She may have mistakenly sent you the webpage
rather than the link to it. If she'd sent the actual map
it probably would have been a JPG file.
No, I mean oxps, which is apparently something only used by Windows 8.1, and
to convert to to a format usable by a computer with another OS, including
another Windows O/S, you apparently need a program that costs $169

If that is the wasy that Google distrpibutes printable versions of their maps,
then I'd like a cheaper alternative.
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
Steve Hayes
2014-12-07 04:50:55 UTC
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Post by Mayayana
Are you sure it wasn't aspx? That's a webpage, like
.html. She may have mistakenly sent you the webpage
rather than the link to it. If she'd sent the actual map
it probably would have been a JPG file.
Hmm, it seems that even my limited knowledge is greater than that of all the
experts here:

You cannot open an .oxps file in Windows 7 or in Windows ...
support.microsoft.com/kb/2732059
Microsoft Corporation
Note The .oxps format is the default XPS document format in Windows 8.
Typically, .oxps files are created when users print to a Microsoft XPS
Document Writer (MXDW) printer on a computer that is running Windows 8.

Perhaps one needs a way of changing the default.
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
Nil
2014-12-07 08:01:22 UTC
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Post by Steve Hayes
Hmm, it seems that even my limited knowledge is greater than that
People are spending their valuable time trying to help you puzzle
through your problem. I have an idea I was going to add, but since you
would rather be rude about it, I won't bother.
Post by Steve Hayes
You cannot open an .oxps file in Windows 7 or in Windows ...
support.microsoft.com/kb/2732059
Microsoft Corporation
Note The .oxps format is the default XPS document format in
Windows 8. Typically, .oxps files are created when users print to
a Microsoft XPS Document Writer (MXDW) printer on a computer that
is running Windows 8.
Perhaps one needs a way of changing the default.
One already has one.
Paul
2014-12-07 10:01:35 UTC
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Post by Steve Hayes
Hmm, it seems that even my limited knowledge is greater than that of all the
What is an ospx file and why do people send them? <---
"You cannot open an .oxps file..." <---
You mis-spelled the extension, you dopey bastard.

We take the information you provide, at face value.
For all we know, your problem involved a brand
new file format we've never heard of.

If I happen to unscramble a spelling mistake like
that, fine and dandy. You coming back and insulting
people because they didn't unscramble your spelling mistake,
is a bit much.

Paul
philo 
2014-12-06 22:54:57 UTC
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Post by Steve Hayes
My wife has to go somewhere tomorrow and downloaded a map that she wanted me
to print out, so she sent me the file, and I found it has an .ospx extension,
and my computer could not open it.
Why do Google maps send files in such an obscure format that I'd never heard
of it before?
I did a web search, and found here
http://www.pagemarktechnology.com/home/products.html
that I would have to pay $US 169 to print a one page map!
Is this the future of computing?
I bet you mean aspx

if so, you will get plenty of info from a Google search
Godzilla
2014-12-06 23:01:36 UTC
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Post by philo 
Post by Steve Hayes
My wife has to go somewhere tomorrow and downloaded a map that she wanted me
to print out, so she sent me the file, and I found it has an .ospx extension,
and my computer could not open it.
Why do Google maps send files in such an obscure format that I'd never heard
of it before?
I did a web search, and found here
http://www.pagemarktechnology.com/home/products.html
that I would have to pay $US 169 to print a one page map!
Is this the future of computing?
I bet you mean aspx
if so, you will get plenty of info from a Google search
He could get the fuckin map from a ggggle link.
Do you run in circles all day?
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\___ \ | | | | | | |\/| | ___/ | |
____) | | | | |__| | | | | | |_|
|_____/ |_| \____/|_| |_|_| (_)
Steve Hayes
2014-12-07 04:29:43 UTC
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Post by philo 
Post by Steve Hayes
My wife has to go somewhere tomorrow and downloaded a map that she wanted me
to print out, so she sent me the file, and I found it has an .ospx extension,
and my computer could not open it.
Why do Google maps send files in such an obscure format that I'd never heard
of it before?
I did a web search, and found here
http://www.pagemarktechnology.com/home/products.html
that I would have to pay $US 169 to print a one page map!
Is this the future of computing?
I bet you mean aspx
if so, you will get plenty of info from a Google search
No I don't mean aspx. I mean .oxps.

I'm not sure why anyone would want to print an aspx file to find how to get
somewhere.

But my wife copied and pasted the content to a .docx file, which Libre Officce
opened, and so I was able to print it.

The original one she got was what she got when she wanted to print something
from Google maps.
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
philo 
2014-12-07 17:07:27 UTC
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Post by Steve Hayes
Post by philo 
I bet you mean aspx
if so, you will get plenty of info from a Google search
No I don't mean aspx. I mean .oxps.
I'm not sure why anyone would want to print an aspx file to find how to get
somewhere.
But my wife copied and pasted the content to a .docx file, which Libre Officce
opened, and so I was able to print it.
The original one she got was what she got when she wanted to print something
from Google maps.
Ok thanks


oxps is a new one for me
Paul
2014-12-07 01:03:39 UTC
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Post by Steve Hayes
My wife has to go somewhere tomorrow and downloaded a map that she wanted me
to print out, so she sent me the file, and I found it has an .ospx extension,
and my computer could not open it.
Why do Google maps send files in such an obscure format that I'd never heard
of it before?
I did a web search, and found here
http://www.pagemarktechnology.com/home/products.html
that I would have to pay $US 169 to print a one page map!
Is this the future of computing?
I have a couple of tools I use:

1) Use a hex editor. If you see plain text inside,
you can then move on to Notepad or Wordpad if you want.
Otherwise, the hex editor might show a 4CC code, hinting
at what the file type really is. Maybe you see structured
XML in there, in which case that would be text.

2) Use a port of the "file" command, which can identify the
true file type of hundreds of file types.

http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/file.htm

The only problem with "file", is the enclosed magic file
hasn't been updated for a while. So if a new file format
is created, it might not be detected.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_(command)

*******

The XPS format is the Microsoft imitation of PDF which
nobody uses. The OS should have a viewer, in Windows 7.
And that would automatically be launched if the file
had the *correct* extension.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/what-is-xps-viewer#what-is-xps-viewer=windows-7

Paul
Steve Hayes
2014-12-07 04:35:40 UTC
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Post by Paul
Post by Steve Hayes
My wife has to go somewhere tomorrow and downloaded a map that she wanted me
to print out, so she sent me the file, and I found it has an .ospx extension,
and my computer could not open it.
Why do Google maps send files in such an obscure format that I'd never heard
of it before?
I did a web search, and found here
http://www.pagemarktechnology.com/home/products.html
that I would have to pay $US 169 to print a one page map!
Is this the future of computing?
1) Use a hex editor. If you see plain text inside,
you can then move on to Notepad or Wordpad if you want.
Otherwise, the hex editor might show a 4CC code, hinting
at what the file type really is. Maybe you see structured
XML in there, in which case that would be text.
That is very unlikely to produce a readable map.
Post by Paul
2) Use a port of the "file" command, which can identify the
true file type of hundreds of file types.
http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/file.htm
The only problem with "file", is the enclosed magic file
hasn't been updated for a while. So if a new file format
is created, it might not be detected.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_(command)
*******
The XPS format is the Microsoft imitation of PDF which
nobody uses. The OS should have a viewer, in Windows 7.
And that would automatically be launched if the file
had the *correct* extension.
It doesn't.

Microsoft says explicitly that the format cannot be read in Windows 7.

Perhaps they conned Google into using it as a way of forcing people to use
Windows 8.1.
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
Nil
2014-12-07 08:03:46 UTC
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Post by Steve Hayes
Microsoft says explicitly that the format cannot be read in
Windows 7.
Perhaps they conned Google into using it as a way of forcing
people to use Windows 8.1.
It has nothing to do with Google and everything to do with your default
printer.
The Other Guy
2014-12-07 09:23:03 UTC
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Post by Nil
Post by Steve Hayes
Microsoft says explicitly that the format cannot be read in
Windows 7.
Perhaps they conned Google into using it as a way of forcing
people to use Windows 8.1.
It has nothing to do with Google and everything to do with your default
printer.
AND the claim that you CAN'T do anything with .oxps files except in W8
is crap.

http://www.fileinfo.com/extension/oxps

SO freaking simple. <sigh>








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...winston‫
2014-12-07 09:25:28 UTC
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Post by Steve Hayes
Post by Paul
Post by Steve Hayes
My wife has to go somewhere tomorrow and downloaded a map that she wanted me
to print out, so she sent me the file, and I found it has an .ospx extension,
and my computer could not open it.
Why do Google maps send files in such an obscure format that I'd never heard
of it before?
I did a web search, and found here
http://www.pagemarktechnology.com/home/products.html
that I would have to pay $US 169 to print a one page map!
Is this the future of computing?
1) Use a hex editor. If you see plain text inside,
you can then move on to Notepad or Wordpad if you want.
Otherwise, the hex editor might show a 4CC code, hinting
at what the file type really is. Maybe you see structured
XML in there, in which case that would be text.
That is very unlikely to produce a readable map.
Post by Paul
2) Use a port of the "file" command, which can identify the
true file type of hundreds of file types.
http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/file.htm
The only problem with "file", is the enclosed magic file
hasn't been updated for a while. So if a new file format
is created, it might not be detected.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_(command)
*******
The XPS format is the Microsoft imitation of PDF which
nobody uses. The OS should have a viewer, in Windows 7.
And that would automatically be launched if the file
had the *correct* extension.
It doesn't.
Microsoft says explicitly that the format cannot be read in Windows 7.
Perhaps they conned Google into using it as a way of forcing people to use
Windows 8.1.
You're greater knowledge than the rest of the group is a misconception.
Initially posting the wrong file extension, then correcting after
realizing the error and finding (most likely before realizing the error)
a related MSFT article about the correct file extension as validation
of that supposedly obtained greater knowledge. That acquired wisdom
should at the minimum allow you to deduce that Google has not bearing at
all on the topic. If you wish to read/open oxps file types in Windows 7
it would be prudent to follow the advice in the MSFT KB article
referenced earlier.
--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps
Paul
2014-12-07 11:42:21 UTC
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Post by Steve Hayes
My wife has to go somewhere tomorrow and downloaded a map that she wanted me
to print out, so she sent me the file, and I found it has an .ospx extension,
and my computer could not open it.
Why do Google maps send files in such an obscure format that I'd never heard
of it before?
I did a web search, and found here
http://www.pagemarktechnology.com/home/products.html
that I would have to pay $US 169 to print a one page map!
Is this the future of computing?
"You cannot open an .oxps file in Windows 7"

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2732059

1. Install the OXPS to XPS converter tool
2. Use the tool to convert the .oxps file to an .xps file.
3. Use XPS Viewer to open the .xps file.

32 bit converter for 32 bit OS (.oxps to .xps), for Win7 only

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=3c696281-02c9-43a8-b8a0-9d32028b7f21

64 bit converter for 64 bit OS (.oxps to .xps), for Win7 only

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=b2bbd7eb-c26f-4875-a124-67e0e68597e7

*******

There doesn't appear to be a path to go from OXPS on Windows 8.1
to XPS on WinXP directly. The XPSviewer.exe on WinXP no longer starts here
(it won't run for me). It seems broken.

The following has four packages, two for WinXP 32/64 and
two for Vista 32/64. Select the package right for your system.
That may give a working XPS Viewer, you never know. And indeed it
does. This tool takes the place of XPSViewer.exe on WinXP. It
still (stupidly) will not open an .oxps.

(XPS Essentials for WinXP)

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=11816

Version: 1.2 Date Published: 12/2/2010
File Name: File Size:

XPSEP XP and Server 2003 32 bit.msi 7.5 MB <--- Tested on WinXP
XPSEP XP and Server 2003 64 bit.msi 9.7 MB
XPSEP Vista 32 bit.msu 1.9 MB
XPSEP Vista 64 bit.msu 2.8 MB

After installing that on this WinXP machine, the new
executable added is "XpsRchVw.exe".

*******

Google Earth details:

When I printed from Google Earth, on a Win8.1 machine without
any additional print drivers, I was faced with the Microsoft
XPS Printer (print to file) driver.

Fortunately, for Google Earth, they tend to prepare a bitmap
image of the screen. There are some decorations at the bottom
of the page, but they don't add much value. So the map
fortunately, is a bitmap image, which saves many steps.

I printed on Win8.1, from Google Earth standalone tool,
to "map.oxps".

I booted Windows 7 SP1, installed the 64 bit converter

Windows6.1-KB2732059-v5-x64__Oxps2xps_converter_win7.msu

and when clicking on the .oxps from the previous step,
was offered an "OXPS to XPS" converter tool. I didn't
check to see what the executable name was.

This produced an XPS file.

I carried the XPS file back to WinXP, and XpsRchVw.exe
both ran and was able to view the document. For a person
on WinXP, this is the path you'd take, to get from the
Win8.1 output, to viewing on a WinXP screen. If you
were instead using Win7 as your main machine, you
should be able to open the XPS file on Windows 7,
after the converter is finished with it. In fact,
the converter opens the file for viewing anyway,
so you immediately get to see the doc, right
after conversion.

*******

Bonus step:

This avoids *ALL* of the above.

Take the "map.oxps" from Win8.1.

The following works on any Windows that can run 7-ZIP.

Using a modern copy of 7-ZIP, open the archive. The file
is in fact an archive, like a ZIP file.

Once 7-ZIP opens the archive, you will see

Documents\
Metadata\
_rels\
FixedDocumentSequence.fdseq
[Content_Types].xml

Continue to open folders inside 7-ZIP. Navigate
to Documents\1\Resources\Images and you will find

1.PNG

and a couple more files. Click the 1.PNG to
highlight it, select Extract from the button
bar at the top of 7-ZIP. I know this is the
file I want, as it is the biggest file in the
folder. And is likely to be a snapshot of the
screen in Google Earth view.

Now, open that image in your image viewer.
That image contains the essence of the map.
Ready to print. No converters necessary.
No $169.

Paul
Steve Hayes
2014-12-07 13:28:03 UTC
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Post by Paul
When I printed from Google Earth, on a Win8.1 machine without
any additional print drivers, I was faced with the Microsoft
XPS Printer (print to file) driver.
Fortunately, for Google Earth, they tend to prepare a bitmap
image of the screen. There are some decorations at the bottom
of the page, but they don't add much value. So the map
fortunately, is a bitmap image, which saves many steps.
I printed on Win8.1, from Google Earth standalone tool,
to "map.oxps".
I booted Windows 7 SP1, installed the 64 bit converter
Windows6.1-KB2732059-v5-x64__Oxps2xps_converter_win7.msu
and when clicking on the .oxps from the previous step,
was offered an "OXPS to XPS" converter tool. I didn't
check to see what the executable name was.
This produced an XPS file.
I carried the XPS file back to WinXP, and XpsRchVw.exe
both ran and was able to view the document. For a person
on WinXP, this is the path you'd take, to get from the
Win8.1 output, to viewing on a WinXP screen. If you
were instead using Win7 as your main machine, you
should be able to open the XPS file on Windows 7,
after the converter is finished with it. In fact,
the converter opens the file for viewing anyway,
so you immediately get to see the doc, right
after conversion.
Thanks, that is useful.
Post by Paul
This avoids *ALL* of the above.
Take the "map.oxps" from Win8.1.
The following works on any Windows that can run 7-ZIP.
Using a modern copy of 7-ZIP, open the archive. The file
is in fact an archive, like a ZIP file.
Once 7-ZIP opens the archive, you will see
Documents\
Metadata\
_rels\
FixedDocumentSequence.fdseq
[Content_Types].xml
Continue to open folders inside 7-ZIP. Navigate
to Documents\1\Resources\Images and you will find
1.PNG
and a couple more files. Click the 1.PNG to
highlight it, select Extract from the button
bar at the top of 7-ZIP. I know this is the
file I want, as it is the biggest file in the
folder. And is likely to be a snapshot of the
screen in Google Earth view.
Now, open that image in your image viewer.
That image contains the essence of the map.
Ready to print. No converters necessary.
No $169.
And that is even more useful.

Now we've been and gone and come back, and I think the next step is to
discover how to make Windoes 8 default "print to file" use a more useful
format like .pdf.
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
Paul
2014-12-07 15:55:13 UTC
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Post by Steve Hayes
Now we've been and gone and come back, and I think the next step is to
discover how to make Windoes 8 default "print to file" use a more useful
format like .pdf.
I don't collect PDF print drivers here.

Maybe with some care, you can find something useful.
I think at one time, Adobe sold a package like that for printing.

I've used packages like the following, as an intermediate step.
This is the Universal PostScript printer driver (originally designed
by Microsoft and customized by OEMs). You take the output
from this and distill it to PDF. Or open it in GIMP (assuming GIMP has
optional PostScript support set up in it). Not many people share my
taste in PostScript to PDF conversion, but I'm able to do a
few odd things with it. I have an actual crude PostScript
editor on another machine, which is able to fix certain
things, when it is in a mood to do so. And this driver
is all part of various repair procedures (such as
redistilling things you're not supposed to be able
to redistill).

http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/softwareDownloadIndex?cc=us&lc=en&dlc=en&softwareitem=ob-51860-1

I like this cumbersome route, mainly to avoid any nasty
dialog boxes telling me I'm not allowed to do what
I'm doing. And that's why I'm not really interested
in what clever limitations have been placed in the
"free" PDF print drivers.

As an example, if I have a PDF open in Adobe Acrobat,
and I use a certain other PostScript driver, it'll tell
me I "can't print to that printer". Because that would
enable me to edit and redistill something. So PDF is
full of DRM-like elements to get in my way. And I then
search for workarounds.

To stop guys like me, there are commercial packages
available to obfuscate the font tables. It took me
around two weeks to undo such a technique. And lately
I ran into another approach, where a font dictionary
"magically disappears" if you click on the screen. Which
is a way to prevent copy and paste, even if you disabled
the copy protections in a document. So while the bypasses
I've got cover naive cases, there are still tool flows
that can't be defeated that way. The process to remove
obfuscation requires "human OCR" to recognize how to
correct the font tables, and by the time you're doing that,
it's easier to just run the PDF document back through
an OCR process. And get the text that way.

I have an actual printer. I just don't use it
all that much. So most of my printing, is to
eventual PDF archival format. The only time I
might print, is when doing my income tazes.

Paul
Mayayana
2014-12-07 16:28:04 UTC
Permalink
| Now we've been and gone and come back, and I think the next step is to
| discover how to make Windoes 8 default "print to file" use a more useful
| format like .pdf.
|

I'm curious how you got in that position in the
first place. Printing a webpage through IE, maybe?
If you're on a Google maps page you should be
able to just right click the map and save as JPG.
There's no reason to print a whole page.
Steve Hayes
2014-12-08 04:43:37 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mayayana
| Now we've been and gone and come back, and I think the next step is to
| discover how to make Windoes 8 default "print to file" use a more useful
| format like .pdf.
|
I'm curious how you got in that position in the
first place. Printing a webpage through IE, maybe?
If you're on a Google maps page you should be
able to just right click the map and save as JPG.
There's no reason to print a whole page.
Quite possibly.

My wife has the computer with Windows 8, and I've never touched it.

She just found the map of the place she wanted to go to, saved it as a file,
and asked me to print it.

When I tried to do so, I got the message that that couldn't be done in
anything other than Windows 8.

So I wondered if anyone else had encountered this phenomenon and knew of a
cheap and simple way to convert such files to be used by other operating
systems.

Now that I've realised that it is a feature of Windows 8, and not something
Google is responsible, I just wonder if it would be possible to change the Win
8 default to something more useful.
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
Paul
2014-12-08 11:42:04 UTC
Permalink
Post by Steve Hayes
Post by Mayayana
| Now we've been and gone and come back, and I think the next step is to
| discover how to make Windoes 8 default "print to file" use a more useful
| format like .pdf.
|
I'm curious how you got in that position in the
first place. Printing a webpage through IE, maybe?
If you're on a Google maps page you should be
able to just right click the map and save as JPG.
There's no reason to print a whole page.
Quite possibly.
My wife has the computer with Windows 8, and I've never touched it.
She just found the map of the place she wanted to go to, saved it as a file,
and asked me to print it.
When I tried to do so, I got the message that that couldn't be done in
anything other than Windows 8.
So I wondered if anyone else had encountered this phenomenon and knew of a
cheap and simple way to convert such files to be used by other operating
systems.
Now that I've realised that it is a feature of Windows 8, and not something
Google is responsible, I just wonder if it would be possible to change the Win
8 default to something more useful.
Remove the XPS print driver ? :-)

A PDF print driver is what you want, for "no-loss capture".
And be careful to set the "level" of the output, to something
relatively low.

In the case of Google, the Google Earth uses bitmap style output,
in order to tempt you with "high resolution" option offered
by their $$$ version of program. If you do a PrintScrn keypress
followed by saving the clipboard, or use Clipping Tool or the like,
the output will be low resolution. As is the .png file inside the
.oxps.

When I plan on using a computer interactively, I install at
least "one thing that can print" other than the XPS default.
As XPS is a relatively useless path, even if you only want to
open that output on the computer that made it. For example,
I was explaining that the xpsviewer.exe on WinXP appeared
to be broken, and the executable won't start. Which would
be an example where a .xps produced on the WinXP machine, could
not actually be viewed on the WinXP machine. At least, until
you install a later version of viewer (xpsrchvw.exe).

Articles like this offer suggestions on what to add for PDF.
My approach is a PostScript printer followed by Distilling,
but that's my own peculiar work flow. For example, the print
dialog shown in the example here, has "high quality images",
and that's one thing I think I'm getting by setting an
equivalent setting in Distiller (lossless compression).

http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/how-to-print-to-pdf-from-windows-8-desktop-modern-apps/

At least a few companies, have made PDF user manuals, where it
is obvious the tech writer doesn't know what "image quality" is,
and the distiller step has compressed all the readability out
of each picture in the manual. Some motherboard manuals,
you can't read any of the BIOS shots (some router manuals
are like that too), which negates the whole purpose of having
a manual in the first place. If every picture is blurry, what
point does that serve ? Even the printed copy of the manual
can be fouled up like that. This is why checking the settings
on any post-production tool is important to making usable
output. A lot of PDFs have the wrong security settings,
and again, because the tech writer never bothered to
look at the settings at all. Just used the defaults.

Paul
Steve Hayes
2014-12-09 05:01:32 UTC
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Post by Paul
Post by Steve Hayes
Post by Mayayana
| Now we've been and gone and come back, and I think the next step is to
| discover how to make Windoes 8 default "print to file" use a more useful
| format like .pdf.
|
I'm curious how you got in that position in the
first place. Printing a webpage through IE, maybe?
If you're on a Google maps page you should be
able to just right click the map and save as JPG.
There's no reason to print a whole page.
Quite possibly.
My wife has the computer with Windows 8, and I've never touched it.
She just found the map of the place she wanted to go to, saved it as a file,
and asked me to print it.
When I tried to do so, I got the message that that couldn't be done in
anything other than Windows 8.
So I wondered if anyone else had encountered this phenomenon and knew of a
cheap and simple way to convert such files to be used by other operating
systems.
Now that I've realised that it is a feature of Windows 8, and not something
Google is responsible, I just wonder if it would be possible to change the Win
8 default to something more useful.
Remove the XPS print driver ? :-)
A PDF print driver is what you want, for "no-loss capture".
And be careful to set the "level" of the output, to something
relatively low.
In the case of Google, the Google Earth uses bitmap style output,
in order to tempt you with "high resolution" option offered
by their $$$ version of program. If you do a PrintScrn keypress
followed by saving the clipboard, or use Clipping Tool or the like,
the output will be low resolution. As is the .png file inside the
.oxps.
Yes, that's what I usually do -- PrintScreen, save to IrfanView and trim
accordingly.

I'll suggest that my wife does that too, unless Microsoft have cunningly
disabled that feature in Windows 8.
Post by Paul
When I plan on using a computer interactively, I install at
least "one thing that can print" other than the XPS default.
As XPS is a relatively useless path, even if you only want to
open that output on the computer that made it. For example,
I was explaining that the xpsviewer.exe on WinXP appeared
to be broken, and the executable won't start. Which would
be an example where a .xps produced on the WinXP machine, could
not actually be viewed on the WinXP machine. At least, until
you install a later version of viewer (xpsrchvw.exe).
Articles like this offer suggestions on what to add for PDF.
My approach is a PostScript printer followed by Distilling,
but that's my own peculiar work flow. For example, the print
dialog shown in the example here, has "high quality images",
and that's one thing I think I'm getting by setting an
equivalent setting in Distiller (lossless compression).
http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/how-to-print-to-pdf-from-windows-8-desktop-modern-apps/
Thanks for that -- will check it.
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
Nil
2014-12-08 18:44:21 UTC
Permalink
Post by Steve Hayes
Now that I've realised that it is a feature of Windows 8, and not
something Google is responsible, I just wonder if it would be
possible to change the Win 8 default to something more useful.
Well, now you have another chance to ask everybody for their help and
then tell them how much smarter you are than them!
Mike Barnes
2014-12-08 19:18:53 UTC
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Post by Steve Hayes
Post by Mayayana
| Now we've been and gone and come back, and I think the next step is to
| discover how to make Windoes 8 default "print to file" use a more useful
| format like .pdf.
|
I'm curious how you got in that position in the
first place. Printing a webpage through IE, maybe?
If you're on a Google maps page you should be
able to just right click the map and save as JPG.
There's no reason to print a whole page.
Quite possibly.
My wife has the computer with Windows 8, and I've never touched it.
She just found the map of the place she wanted to go to, saved it as a file,
and asked me to print it.
That's *one* approach to printing on a different PC, but I wouldn't
expect it to work very well unless you were very lucky.

Taking things one step at a time, why didn't she print it herself?
--
Mike Barnes
Cheshire, England
Steve Hayes
2014-12-09 05:06:49 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mike Barnes
Post by Steve Hayes
Post by Mayayana
| Now we've been and gone and come back, and I think the next step is to
| discover how to make Windoes 8 default "print to file" use a more useful
| format like .pdf.
|
I'm curious how you got in that position in the
first place. Printing a webpage through IE, maybe?
If you're on a Google maps page you should be
able to just right click the map and save as JPG.
There's no reason to print a whole page.
Quite possibly.
My wife has the computer with Windows 8, and I've never touched it.
She just found the map of the place she wanted to go to, saved it as a file,
and asked me to print it.
That's *one* approach to printing on a different PC, but I wouldn't
expect it to work very well unless you were very lucky.
Taking things one step at a time, why didn't she print it herself?
Because the printer is connected to my computer, not hers.
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
Char Jackson
2014-12-09 05:55:14 UTC
Permalink
Post by Steve Hayes
Post by Mike Barnes
Post by Steve Hayes
Post by Mayayana
| Now we've been and gone and come back, and I think the next step is to
| discover how to make Windoes 8 default "print to file" use a more useful
| format like .pdf.
|
I'm curious how you got in that position in the
first place. Printing a webpage through IE, maybe?
If you're on a Google maps page you should be
able to just right click the map and save as JPG.
There's no reason to print a whole page.
Quite possibly.
My wife has the computer with Windows 8, and I've never touched it.
She just found the map of the place she wanted to go to, saved it as a file,
and asked me to print it.
That's *one* approach to printing on a different PC, but I wouldn't
expect it to work very well unless you were very lucky.
Taking things one step at a time, why didn't she print it herself?
Because the printer is connected to my computer, not hers.
Why not just share the printer with her so she can print from it, too?
--
Char Jackson
Steve Hayes
2014-12-09 09:24:08 UTC
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Post by Char Jackson
Post by Steve Hayes
Post by Mike Barnes
Post by Steve Hayes
Post by Mayayana
| Now we've been and gone and come back, and I think the next step is to
| discover how to make Windoes 8 default "print to file" use a more useful
| format like .pdf.
|
I'm curious how you got in that position in the
first place. Printing a webpage through IE, maybe?
If you're on a Google maps page you should be
able to just right click the map and save as JPG.
There's no reason to print a whole page.
Quite possibly.
My wife has the computer with Windows 8, and I've never touched it.
She just found the map of the place she wanted to go to, saved it as a file,
and asked me to print it.
That's *one* approach to printing on a different PC, but I wouldn't
expect it to work very well unless you were very lucky.
Taking things one step at a time, why didn't she print it herself?
Because the printer is connected to my computer, not hers.
Why not just share the printer with her so she can print from it, too?
Because I don't know how to do that.

Window does not come with manuals, and even if it did, they probably would not
tell you how to share a printer attached to a Windows XP machi9ne with a
machine running Windows 8.

And when you want a map and directions to a place you are leaving for in 2
hours time, there probably isn't time to find out. That is why I asked if
anyone knew of a way of printing a .oxps file, which I had never heard of
before,

And now I know that it can't be done, unless you are also running Windows 8.

Thanks to those who provided helpful information.
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
Char Jackson
2014-12-09 18:02:41 UTC
Permalink
Post by Steve Hayes
Post by Char Jackson
Post by Steve Hayes
Post by Mike Barnes
Post by Steve Hayes
Post by Mayayana
| Now we've been and gone and come back, and I think the next step is to
| discover how to make Windoes 8 default "print to file" use a more useful
| format like .pdf.
|
I'm curious how you got in that position in the
first place. Printing a webpage through IE, maybe?
If you're on a Google maps page you should be
able to just right click the map and save as JPG.
There's no reason to print a whole page.
Quite possibly.
My wife has the computer with Windows 8, and I've never touched it.
She just found the map of the place she wanted to go to, saved it as a file,
and asked me to print it.
That's *one* approach to printing on a different PC, but I wouldn't
expect it to work very well unless you were very lucky.
Taking things one step at a time, why didn't she print it herself?
Because the printer is connected to my computer, not hers.
Why not just share the printer with her so she can print from it, too?
Because I don't know how to do that.
Window does not come with manuals, and even if it did, they probably would not
tell you how to share a printer attached to a Windows XP machi9ne with a
machine running Windows 8.
Well, there's this thing called the Internet. :-) But seriously, it should
be pretty straightforward.
1. Right-click on the printer and select Sharing... Follow the prompts.
2. On the other PC, you'll probably want to install a driver first, then
browse to the printer (you can browse to it now because it's shared), right
click on it and select Install... Follow the prompts. Print a test page to
be sure you're using the right driver.

If you do a search, you'll find more detailed instructions, sometimes with
screen shots, but the steps above are the basics and might be enough.
Post by Steve Hayes
And when you want a map and directions to a place you are leaving for in 2
hours time, there probably isn't time to find out. That is why I asked if
anyone knew of a way of printing a .oxps file, which I had never heard of
before,
The biggest takeaway should be to print to PDF rather than XPS. There are
lots of PDF print drivers, but I've been using CutePDF (free) for what seems
like 15 years. It just works.
--
Char Jackson
Steve Hayes
2014-12-09 19:40:06 UTC
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Post by Char Jackson
Post by Steve Hayes
Post by Char Jackson
Post by Steve Hayes
Post by Mike Barnes
Post by Steve Hayes
Post by Mayayana
| Now we've been and gone and come back, and I think the next step is to
| discover how to make Windoes 8 default "print to file" use a more useful
| format like .pdf.
|
I'm curious how you got in that position in the
first place. Printing a webpage through IE, maybe?
If you're on a Google maps page you should be
able to just right click the map and save as JPG.
There's no reason to print a whole page.
Quite possibly.
My wife has the computer with Windows 8, and I've never touched it.
She just found the map of the place she wanted to go to, saved it as a file,
and asked me to print it.
That's *one* approach to printing on a different PC, but I wouldn't
expect it to work very well unless you were very lucky.
Taking things one step at a time, why didn't she print it herself?
Because the printer is connected to my computer, not hers.
Why not just share the printer with her so she can print from it, too?
Because I don't know how to do that.
Window does not come with manuals, and even if it did, they probably would not
tell you how to share a printer attached to a Windows XP machi9ne with a
machine running Windows 8.
Well, there's this thing called the Internet. :-) But seriously, it should
be pretty straightforward.
1. Right-click on the printer and select Sharing... Follow the prompts.
2. On the other PC, you'll probably want to install a driver first, then
browse to the printer (you can browse to it now because it's shared), right
click on it and select Install... Follow the prompts. Print a test page to
be sure you're using the right driver.
If you do a search, you'll find more detailed instructions, sometimes with
screen shots, but the steps above are the basics and might be enough.
Will try.

Of course the printer driver might say it doesn't work on Windows 8. Some do.
Post by Char Jackson
Post by Steve Hayes
And when you want a map and directions to a place you are leaving for in 2
hours time, there probably isn't time to find out. That is why I asked if
anyone knew of a way of printing a .oxps file, which I had never heard of
before,
The biggest takeaway should be to print to PDF rather than XPS. There are
lots of PDF print drivers, but I've been using CutePDF (free) for what seems
like 15 years. It just works.
That's probably the easiest thing. I have PDFactory, and it worked OK on a
Facebook page, which si quite complex, though it did split it into four pages
and cut some of the pictures in half.
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
Paul
2014-12-09 20:35:27 UTC
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Post by Steve Hayes
Post by Char Jackson
Post by Steve Hayes
Post by Char Jackson
Post by Steve Hayes
Post by Mike Barnes
Post by Steve Hayes
Post by Mayayana
| Now we've been and gone and come back, and I think the next step is to
| discover how to make Windoes 8 default "print to file" use a more useful
| format like .pdf.
|
I'm curious how you got in that position in the
first place. Printing a webpage through IE, maybe?
If you're on a Google maps page you should be
able to just right click the map and save as JPG.
There's no reason to print a whole page.
Quite possibly.
My wife has the computer with Windows 8, and I've never touched it.
She just found the map of the place she wanted to go to, saved it as a file,
and asked me to print it.
That's *one* approach to printing on a different PC, but I wouldn't
expect it to work very well unless you were very lucky.
Taking things one step at a time, why didn't she print it herself?
Because the printer is connected to my computer, not hers.
Why not just share the printer with her so she can print from it, too?
Because I don't know how to do that.
Window does not come with manuals, and even if it did, they probably would not
tell you how to share a printer attached to a Windows XP machi9ne with a
machine running Windows 8.
Well, there's this thing called the Internet. :-) But seriously, it should
be pretty straightforward.
1. Right-click on the printer and select Sharing... Follow the prompts.
2. On the other PC, you'll probably want to install a driver first, then
browse to the printer (you can browse to it now because it's shared), right
click on it and select Install... Follow the prompts. Print a test page to
be sure you're using the right driver.
If you do a search, you'll find more detailed instructions, sometimes with
screen shots, but the steps above are the basics and might be enough.
Will try.
Of course the printer driver might say it doesn't work on Windows 8. Some do.
Post by Char Jackson
Post by Steve Hayes
And when you want a map and directions to a place you are leaving for in 2
hours time, there probably isn't time to find out. That is why I asked if
anyone knew of a way of printing a .oxps file, which I had never heard of
before,
The biggest takeaway should be to print to PDF rather than XPS. There are
lots of PDF print drivers, but I've been using CutePDF (free) for what seems
like 15 years. It just works.
That's probably the easiest thing. I have PDFactory, and it worked OK on a
Facebook page, which si quite complex, though it did split it into four pages
and cut some of the pictures in half.
This is one reason I like a print-to-file solution which supports
large pages.

The print driver should at least do Letter and Tabloid, as if it
were driving a real printer. I find the Tabloid 11"x17" print-to-file
covers a lot of web pages (the ones that don't wrap properly).

The print driver I use, the largest page you can define is
36" x 108". So if some web page is going off the screen,
you can accommodate the failings of the browser.

For example, using Firefox, I found a web site which was five
pages long. Only the first page would print, and the other four
pages were blank. By making a second attempt at printing, and
defining a page size large enough for the whole thing, I got
it as a single page. And then I had a printed copy. It would take
a lot of messing around, to do PrintScrn and make an image copy
instead.

Paul
Fred Goldstein
2014-12-09 19:24:29 UTC
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Post by Steve Hayes
Post by Char Jackson
Post by Steve Hayes
Post by Mike Barnes
Post by Steve Hayes
Post by Mayayana
| Now we've been and gone and come back, and I think the next step is to
| discover how to make Windoes 8 default "print to file" use a more useful
| format like .pdf.
|
I'm curious how you got in that position in the
first place. Printing a webpage through IE, maybe?
If you're on a Google maps page you should be
able to just right click the map and save as JPG.
There's no reason to print a whole page.
Quite possibly.
My wife has the computer with Windows 8, and I've never touched it.
She just found the map of the place she wanted to go to, saved it as a file,
and asked me to print it.
That's *one* approach to printing on a different PC, but I wouldn't
expect it to work very well unless you were very lucky.
Taking things one step at a time, why didn't she print it herself?
Because the printer is connected to my computer, not hers.
Why not just share the printer with her so she can print from it, too?
Because I don't know how to do that.
Window does not come with manuals, and even if it did, they probably would not
tell you how to share a printer attached to a Windows XP machi9ne with a
machine running Windows 8.
This is a real issue. Windows is good about sharing printer drivers.
Hook up an XP machine to one that has a printer and it automagically
downloads the driver from the one with the printer, if it doesn't
already have it. But Windows XP and 8 use different, incompatible
printer drivers. So to print between the two, you need to install the
Win 8 driver on that machine, and then try to make it talk to the XP
printer across the network. Sometimes it works.
Post by Steve Hayes
And when you want a map and directions to a place you are leaving for in 2
hours time, there probably isn't time to find out. That is why I asked if
anyone knew of a way of printing a .oxps file, which I had never heard of
before,
Credit to Microsoft for making themselves look even more foolish than
usual. They took their own proprietary obscure XPS format, put it into
XP where nobody used it, then changed it to an incompatible one in Win
8, as if having two incompatible forms of XPS would make it the
PDF-killer that it will never be. Ah, Win 8, otherwise known as Windows
ME 2. Good reason to wait for 10.
Post by Steve Hayes
And now I know that it can't be done, unless you are also running Windows 8.
Thanks to those who provided helpful information.
Steve Hayes
2014-12-10 04:46:42 UTC
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Post by Fred Goldstein
Post by Steve Hayes
Post by Char Jackson
Post by Steve Hayes
Post by Mike Barnes
Post by Steve Hayes
Post by Mayayana
| Now we've been and gone and come back, and I think the next step is to
| discover how to make Windoes 8 default "print to file" use a more useful
| format like .pdf.
|
I'm curious how you got in that position in the
first place. Printing a webpage through IE, maybe?
If you're on a Google maps page you should be
able to just right click the map and save as JPG.
There's no reason to print a whole page.
Quite possibly.
My wife has the computer with Windows 8, and I've never touched it.
She just found the map of the place she wanted to go to, saved it as a file,
and asked me to print it.
That's *one* approach to printing on a different PC, but I wouldn't
expect it to work very well unless you were very lucky.
Taking things one step at a time, why didn't she print it herself?
Because the printer is connected to my computer, not hers.
Why not just share the printer with her so she can print from it, too?
Because I don't know how to do that.
Window does not come with manuals, and even if it did, they probably would not
tell you how to share a printer attached to a Windows XP machi9ne with a
machine running Windows 8.
This is a real issue. Windows is good about sharing printer drivers.
Hook up an XP machine to one that has a printer and it automagically
downloads the driver from the one with the printer, if it doesn't
already have it. But Windows XP and 8 use different, incompatible
printer drivers. So to print between the two, you need to install the
Win 8 driver on that machine, and then try to make it talk to the XP
printer across the network. Sometimes it works.
Post by Steve Hayes
And when you want a map and directions to a place you are leaving for in 2
hours time, there probably isn't time to find out. That is why I asked if
anyone knew of a way of printing a .oxps file, which I had never heard of
before,
Credit to Microsoft for making themselves look even more foolish than
usual. They took their own proprietary obscure XPS format, put it into
XP where nobody used it, then changed it to an incompatible one in Win
8, as if having two incompatible forms of XPS would make it the
PDF-killer that it will never be. Ah, Win 8, otherwise known as Windows
ME 2. Good reason to wait for 10.
And having eventually discovered, long after the need for it had passsed, that
it is simply a virtual printer, like the dozens of free PDF ones, it will
actually be dead easy to replace it with one of those.

Of course if there was a proper manual it would give the game away, and make
life far too easy.
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
Char Jackson
2014-12-10 07:45:24 UTC
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Post by Steve Hayes
And having eventually discovered, long after the need for it had passsed, that
it is simply a virtual printer, like the dozens of free PDF ones, it will
actually be dead easy to replace it with one of those.
Of course if there was a proper manual it would give the game away, and make
life far too easy.
I remember the days of proper manuals, and where I worked one set of manuals
went onto a shelf in our work area, another set of manuals went onto a shelf
in the 'back office' where the management guys had desks, and the dozens of
other sets went straight to the trash. I knew of absolutely no one,
including myself, who ever opened one of those manuals. YMMV
--
Char Jackson
Steve Hayes
2014-12-10 12:18:48 UTC
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Post by Char Jackson
Post by Steve Hayes
And having eventually discovered, long after the need for it had passsed, that
it is simply a virtual printer, like the dozens of free PDF ones, it will
actually be dead easy to replace it with one of those.
Of course if there was a proper manual it would give the game away, and make
life far too easy.
I remember the days of proper manuals, and where I worked one set of manuals
went onto a shelf in our work area, another set of manuals went onto a shelf
in the 'back office' where the management guys had desks, and the dozens of
other sets went straight to the trash. I knew of absolutely no one,
including myself, who ever opened one of those manuals. YMMV
I suppose that's why no one minded when I took them home with me and read them
in the bath.
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
Gene E. Bloch
2014-12-11 01:16:46 UTC
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Post by Steve Hayes
And having eventually discovered, long after the need for it had passsed, that
it is simply a virtual printer, like the dozens of free PDF ones, it will
actually be dead easy to replace it with one of those.
Or just *add* the PDF printer. There's no need to replace anything; they
coexist peacefully.
--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)
Steve Hayes
2014-12-11 05:52:43 UTC
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Post by Gene E. Bloch
Post by Steve Hayes
And having eventually discovered, long after the need for it had passsed, that
it is simply a virtual printer, like the dozens of free PDF ones, it will
actually be dead easy to replace it with one of those.
Or just *add* the PDF printer. There's no need to replace anything; they
coexist peacefully.
Yep. To elaborate, I'd install a pdf printer, and make that the default
printer. It's easy enough in XP and 7, so I don't suppose it will be too
difficult in 8.

The other one will still be there in case someone explicitly asks for an oxps
document.
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
Mike Barnes
2014-12-09 08:52:22 UTC
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Post by Steve Hayes
Post by Mike Barnes
Post by Steve Hayes
Post by Mayayana
| Now we've been and gone and come back, and I think the next step is to
| discover how to make Windoes 8 default "print to file" use a more useful
| format like .pdf.
|
I'm curious how you got in that position in the
first place. Printing a webpage through IE, maybe?
If you're on a Google maps page you should be
able to just right click the map and save as JPG.
There's no reason to print a whole page.
Quite possibly.
My wife has the computer with Windows 8, and I've never touched it.
She just found the map of the place she wanted to go to, saved it as a file,
and asked me to print it.
That's *one* approach to printing on a different PC, but I wouldn't
expect it to work very well unless you were very lucky.
Taking things one step at a time, why didn't she print it herself?
Because the printer is connected to my computer, not hers.
It sounds as if this will be a recurring problem whenever she wants to
print something, and it's probably worth spending some time fixing it
properly.

Perhaps Santa could bring her a Personal Printer to go with her Personal
Computer.

Alternatively you could look at networking the things together. I think
that's what most people would do. What OS is your PC running? Is a
hard-wired connection practical? Is it a network-ready printer?
--
Mike Barnes
Cheshire, England
Steve Hayes
2014-12-09 09:27:17 UTC
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Post by Mike Barnes
Post by Steve Hayes
Post by Mike Barnes
Post by Steve Hayes
Post by Mayayana
| Now we've been and gone and come back, and I think the next step is to
| discover how to make Windoes 8 default "print to file" use a more useful
| format like .pdf.
|
I'm curious how you got in that position in the
first place. Printing a webpage through IE, maybe?
If you're on a Google maps page you should be
able to just right click the map and save as JPG.
There's no reason to print a whole page.
Quite possibly.
My wife has the computer with Windows 8, and I've never touched it.
She just found the map of the place she wanted to go to, saved it as a file,
and asked me to print it.
That's *one* approach to printing on a different PC, but I wouldn't
expect it to work very well unless you were very lucky.
Taking things one step at a time, why didn't she print it herself?
Because the printer is connected to my computer, not hers.
It sounds as if this will be a recurring problem whenever she wants to
print something, and it's probably worth spending some time fixing it
properly.
Perhaps Santa could bring her a Personal Printer to go with her Personal
Computer.
Alternatively you could look at networking the things together. I think
that's what most people would do. What OS is your PC running? Is a
hard-wired connection practical? Is it a network-ready printer?
We have enough of a network connection that she can see my "Shared" directory
(where she put the file for me to print), but she can't see the printer and I
can't see her machine at all.

We don't do a lot of printing -- ink is too expensive.
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
Mike Barnes
2014-12-09 11:35:57 UTC
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Post by Steve Hayes
Post by Mike Barnes
Post by Steve Hayes
Post by Mike Barnes
Post by Steve Hayes
Post by Mayayana
| Now we've been and gone and come back, and I think the next step is to
| discover how to make Windoes 8 default "print to file" use a more useful
| format like .pdf.
|
I'm curious how you got in that position in the
first place. Printing a webpage through IE, maybe?
If you're on a Google maps page you should be
able to just right click the map and save as JPG.
There's no reason to print a whole page.
Quite possibly.
My wife has the computer with Windows 8, and I've never touched it.
She just found the map of the place she wanted to go to, saved it as a file,
and asked me to print it.
That's *one* approach to printing on a different PC, but I wouldn't
expect it to work very well unless you were very lucky.
Taking things one step at a time, why didn't she print it herself?
Because the printer is connected to my computer, not hers.
It sounds as if this will be a recurring problem whenever she wants to
print something, and it's probably worth spending some time fixing it
properly.
Perhaps Santa could bring her a Personal Printer to go with her Personal
Computer.
Alternatively you could look at networking the things together. I think
that's what most people would do. What OS is your PC running? Is a
hard-wired connection practical? Is it a network-ready printer?
We have enough of a network connection that she can see my "Shared" directory
(where she put the file for me to print), but she can't see the printer and I
can't see her machine at all.
Have you shared the printer in Control Panel? (right-click: Printer
Properties: Sharing).
--
Mike Barnes
Cheshire, England
Steve Hayes
2014-12-09 19:49:13 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mike Barnes
Post by Steve Hayes
Post by Mike Barnes
Post by Steve Hayes
Post by Mike Barnes
Post by Steve Hayes
Post by Mayayana
| Now we've been and gone and come back, and I think the next step is to
| discover how to make Windoes 8 default "print to file" use a more useful
| format like .pdf.
|
I'm curious how you got in that position in the
first place. Printing a webpage through IE, maybe?
If you're on a Google maps page you should be
able to just right click the map and save as JPG.
There's no reason to print a whole page.
Quite possibly.
My wife has the computer with Windows 8, and I've never touched it.
She just found the map of the place she wanted to go to, saved it as a file,
and asked me to print it.
That's *one* approach to printing on a different PC, but I wouldn't
expect it to work very well unless you were very lucky.
Taking things one step at a time, why didn't she print it herself?
Because the printer is connected to my computer, not hers.
It sounds as if this will be a recurring problem whenever she wants to
print something, and it's probably worth spending some time fixing it
properly.
Perhaps Santa could bring her a Personal Printer to go with her Personal
Computer.
Alternatively you could look at networking the things together. I think
that's what most people would do. What OS is your PC running? Is a
hard-wired connection practical? Is it a network-ready printer?
We have enough of a network connection that she can see my "Shared" directory
(where she put the file for me to print), but she can't see the printer and I
can't see her machine at all.
Have you shared the printer in Control Panel? (right-click: Printer
Properties: Sharing).
That was quite interesting.

I saw the Auto Microsoft XPS Document Writer on my son's computer. I suspect
that that is the guilty gadget that caused all the trouble.

And if it's a printer like any other, then it should be quite simple to
install a PDF printer on my wife's computer and make that the default.
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
Ken Blake
2014-12-09 14:40:45 UTC
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On Tue, 09 Dec 2014 11:27:17 +0200, Steve Hayes
Post by Steve Hayes
We don't do a lot of printing -- ink is too expensive.
You might want to get a laser instead of an inkjet. They are much
cheaper to use, and if you don't need color, you can get a B&W laser
for around $80.
Mike Barnes
2014-12-09 17:37:57 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ken Blake
On Tue, 09 Dec 2014 11:27:17 +0200, Steve Hayes
Post by Steve Hayes
We don't do a lot of printing -- ink is too expensive.
You might want to get a laser instead of an inkjet. They are much
cheaper to use, and if you don't need color, you can get a B&W laser
for around $80.
And IME inkjets are totally unsuitable when there are long periods
between printing. Ink dries up, and the printer needs to go through a
cleaning cycle that wastes several pages worth of ink. An inkjet might
be cheap to buy but that's because the manufacturer profits from
overcharging you for the ink.

For occasional printing, get a laser.
--
Mike Barnes
Cheshire, England
Char Jackson
2014-12-09 17:56:35 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mike Barnes
Post by Ken Blake
On Tue, 09 Dec 2014 11:27:17 +0200, Steve Hayes
Post by Steve Hayes
We don't do a lot of printing -- ink is too expensive.
You might want to get a laser instead of an inkjet. They are much
cheaper to use, and if you don't need color, you can get a B&W laser
for around $80.
And IME inkjets are totally unsuitable when there are long periods
between printing. Ink dries up, and the printer needs to go through a
cleaning cycle that wastes several pages worth of ink. An inkjet might
be cheap to buy but that's because the manufacturer profits from
overcharging you for the ink.
For occasional printing, get a laser.
I totally agree with the advice to use a laser, but wow, what a testament to
how far technology has come in a relatively short time. Laser printers used
to be exotic and expensive. Now they're in the running as a better
alternative to the supposedly cheap kid on the block, the inkjets.
--
Char Jackson
Steve Hayes
2014-12-09 20:02:39 UTC
Permalink
Post by Char Jackson
Post by Mike Barnes
Post by Ken Blake
On Tue, 09 Dec 2014 11:27:17 +0200, Steve Hayes
Post by Steve Hayes
We don't do a lot of printing -- ink is too expensive.
You might want to get a laser instead of an inkjet. They are much
cheaper to use, and if you don't need color, you can get a B&W laser
for around $80.
And IME inkjets are totally unsuitable when there are long periods
between printing. Ink dries up, and the printer needs to go through a
cleaning cycle that wastes several pages worth of ink. An inkjet might
be cheap to buy but that's because the manufacturer profits from
overcharging you for the ink.
For occasional printing, get a laser.
I totally agree with the advice to use a laser, but wow, what a testament to
how far technology has come in a relatively short time. Laser printers used
to be exotic and expensive. Now they're in the running as a better
alternative to the supposedly cheap kid on the block, the inkjets.
Yes, inkjet printers were introduced as the "cheap" alternative to laser
printers, but the ink costs just as much, and the price of laser printers has
come down to almost match them.
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
Ken Blake
2014-12-09 22:05:30 UTC
Permalink
Post by Char Jackson
Post by Mike Barnes
Post by Ken Blake
On Tue, 09 Dec 2014 11:27:17 +0200, Steve Hayes
Post by Steve Hayes
We don't do a lot of printing -- ink is too expensive.
You might want to get a laser instead of an inkjet. They are much
cheaper to use, and if you don't need color, you can get a B&W laser
for around $80.
And IME inkjets are totally unsuitable when there are long periods
between printing. Ink dries up, and the printer needs to go through a
cleaning cycle that wastes several pages worth of ink. An inkjet might
be cheap to buy but that's because the manufacturer profits from
overcharging you for the ink.
Yes!
Post by Char Jackson
Post by Mike Barnes
For occasional printing, get a laser.
Even for printing more often.
Post by Char Jackson
I totally agree with the advice to use a laser, but wow, what a testament to
how far technology has come in a relatively short time. Laser printers used
to be exotic and expensive. Now they're in the running as a better
alternative to the supposedly cheap kid on the block, the inkjets.
Here's another agreement, to both of you. I have two laser printers
here, one on my computer and one on my wife's. One is color (mine) and
one is B&W. Even though my wife's is B&W, she can use mine if she
needs color (which isn't very often).
Steve Hayes
2014-12-09 19:57:53 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ken Blake
On Tue, 09 Dec 2014 11:27:17 +0200, Steve Hayes
Post by Steve Hayes
We don't do a lot of printing -- ink is too expensive.
You might want to get a laser instead of an inkjet. They are much
cheaper to use, and if you don't need color, you can get a B&W laser
for around $80.
I have one. The ink is still expensive, because you have to buy a complete new
cartridge, with a new roller as well. It's almost cheaper to buy a new
printer.

Actually my wife does have a printer, an inkjet one, but it doesn't work with
her Windows 8 machine, and in any case we use it mostly for scanning.
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
Ken Blake
2014-12-09 22:09:04 UTC
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On Tue, 09 Dec 2014 21:57:53 +0200, Steve Hayes
Post by Steve Hayes
Post by Ken Blake
On Tue, 09 Dec 2014 11:27:17 +0200, Steve Hayes
Post by Steve Hayes
We don't do a lot of printing -- ink is too expensive.
You might want to get a laser instead of an inkjet. They are much
cheaper to use, and if you don't need color, you can get a B&W laser
for around $80.
I have one. The ink is still expensive, because you have to buy a complete new
cartridge, with a new roller as well. It's almost cheaper to buy a new
printer.
Calculate the cost of printing a page by dividing the cost of the ink
or cartridge by the number of pages it will produce. You will see that
the cost of printing with a laser (especially a B&W laser) is *much*
lower.

If it isn't much lower, you have an oddball expensive-to-use laser
printer.
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